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Post by shytalk on Nov 12, 2007 14:26:51 GMT -5
Dennis, I have replied to your email, did you get it?
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Post by ken on Nov 13, 2007 10:34:02 GMT -5
Hi again Shytalk, there's a fair bit of interest in old Netherley, so I reckon your written memories would go down very well. These pics are for Bigmike and any others who are interested: This is St.Gregory's School, undated but probably around 1980 This is the view from the Bridge Inn, looking across Lee Park towards Netherley, 10th Feb 1955, just before King's Drive was laid out. The group of farm buildings to mid-right behind the pole are on the site of St.Gregory's School (it was the old junction of Belle Vale Road, Wood Lane, and Netherley Road). The site of Lee Manor High School is over to the right, on the light-coloured field. The country lane running down to the left is Belle Vale Road, and the path running straight across mid-centre of the view is the drive of Lee Hall. I remember it looked pretty much like this in the early 1960's, except for King's Drive.
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Post by ken on Nov 13, 2007 11:18:25 GMT -5
Here's a 1959 street map of Netherley: Compared with a 2001 street map of Netherley: Ken
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Post by ken on Nov 14, 2007 5:22:07 GMT -5
Here's a plan of the original Netherley Farm & Bridge, taken from the 1891 Ordnance Survey. The name "Netherley" appears to be Old English in origin, dating back to the time before Lee Hall, when the place was known as "The Lee", and the farm was the "Nether (Lower) Lee", because the locality was in the lee of the hill at Gateacre.
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Post by maddog on Nov 20, 2007 17:39:55 GMT -5
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Post by june on Mar 2, 2008 18:33:40 GMT -5
I don't have any photo's of Netherley but I do have childhood memories. I moved to Westbrook Road in Lee Park at the age of six in 1962. There were shops were the police and fire stations are now and shops on the other side of the road too. There was a big field with large shrubs where the lads built dens and we would wait for them to go home and us girls would go in. We used to play stepping stones in the brook and balance across the big gas pipe (I think it was a gas pipe). As we got a little older and were trusted to go that bit further, we went over to Netherley potato picking! We were only about 8 or 9 then and when a small plane went overhead we would run for our lives because someone said it was the farmer looking for his potatoes. Unfortunately, the days of letting your kids out of your sight are in the far distant past. They are missing out these days in the world of today. When we were kids in the sixties, every day was a new adventure.
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Post by mitch on May 14, 2009 20:41:30 GMT -5
My grandparents, Maud Barton and Jim Sumner lived at Netherley Cottages, Netherley Waterworks. Jim worked at the waterworks at Belle Vale and Netherley for many years until he retired.
Jim and Maud could often be seen selling flowers from the wall of their cottage, they lived in the end cottage on the right as you stand in front of the row. Anyone remember them??
I am trying to find photos of the cottages but have not had any luck in finding any on the internet. Does anyone know of any? We have some taken of family in the garden and around the pond, but that is all.
My mum's name Joan Sumner, married name Mitchell. She worked at the Bluecap and Bear Brand Factories, and in the canteen of Goodlass Wall. she had a brother Ronnie and sister Rita.
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Post by riga on Dec 9, 2009 15:15:07 GMT -5
I do not want to upset anyone but as this is history I have added my version of local history as I see it and remember it.
I think what everyone is forgetting here is what Netherley became.
What it started out as and what it became in the seventies is something totaly removed from reality.
By the early seventies Liverpool had gone from that atmosphere of hope too dispersal of its youth talented and otherwise.
Liverpool through its excellent educational system had proved that young kids from ordinary backgrounds could go to High Schools, college`s and university.
Just look at the great schools within a good walk or short bus ride of this area. Most of the very best schools in Liverpool and most of them now demolished.
In the seventies jobs in Liverpool were being exported south even Hornby went to a down turned part of east London.
The manny recently built industrial estates started to close .
We had a highly skilled workforce here and the kids from that were even better educated. So instead of the offspring from these area`s going on to better things ,if they stayed they faced unemployment or worse,if lucky you could get a local job Buses ,gas man ,Police nurse although the health authority favoured people from North Wales and Ireland.
There was not enough work for these kids that were being turned out of the high schools by the thousands.
Most of the people I knew at school and manny relatives left Liverpool some for good. Just look at people posting here manny from all over the world.
Around mid seventies I thought to myself that Liverpool would not get back on its feet for around thirty years . How wrong I was , it is not back unless you call a few new buildings and a shopping center employing mostly non residents progress.
All that talent wasted ,look back on local history to see how inventive we were.
Netherley became an area were if you mentioned the name or postcode you would never get a job.
Soon it became a dumping ground for some of the worst people from around Lancashire and beyond. Yet it still had residents who were normal that tried to live a normal and honest life. No matter how hard you try though if you fill a barrel with mostly rotten apples the others can not stand a chance.
The people of this area and other areas of Liverpool are amongst the best and hardest working in the country ,it was local and national politicians that let us down then and continue to this day.
Even the new estates in the South Of England around London have now gone the way of Netherley of the Seventies. Although those estates in the South have a very different make up of people.
Manny ex Netherley kids made it some did not. They made it on their own or with the help of close freinds and family. Not with government help.
Today 8 dec 2009 the government stated again about Britains flexible work force. I think they meant to say dispensable work force. A workforce that travels the country and has no rights. That goes for a shop assistant too a highly paid consultant.
He also announced money for Tyne side to replace jobs oddly the amount was less than the cost of re building Allerton station.
Speke airport with its low paid jobs and potless tourists does nothing for the city. It should have stayed as a postal service with the aircraft being serviced at Speke by engineers on good pay and living here. Even local kids have been undercut in wages here.
Until we have control over the city and its financial structure nothing will change .
Why should we get the casts off all the time.
Wherever I have worked around the world manny of the top people and CEO`s have come from Liverpool.
There can be no future without investment. No shop keeper or small business can survive no matter how hard you work without customers who have money.
Look down the road to Garston in the Seventies small businesses were wiped out and today it is worse so much for the economic growth I hear so much about.
I hear and have heard it for years in Liverpool that we need politicians that work solely for Liverpool.
Where are they doing that with thirty two million for Allerton station and the government thinks less than that will revive Tyne side.
Its not just the buildings in and around Netherley that have changed but the whole country and its hopes.
The demolition of Gatacre comp will be a school too far. However it will ensure that no more bright kids are produced. Anyway something has to give if the government wants to carry on giving the pupils at Shorefields(Dingle Vale) an extra one thousand per pupil per year over that spent on kids in other non troubled areas.
I hear talk of lost generations , well Liverpool lost a generation. I used to think as a teenager standing outside Allerton hotel and station that there should be a monument to those lost to our city.
I have great memories of the good times , but I also rember the bad and the wasted talent.
Kids that should have been captains of industrie sitting behind a counter at the social security office and I mean both sides some as workers and others as claimants.
No workers abroad (E.U.) lived in Pre Fabs until the mid seventies ,no workers abroad have less rights than us and no workers abroad have less rights than someone arriving in the back of a truck.
Everyone laughs at Belgium for example three languages fights between the French and Dutch speakers,no government for months on end. Yet you can build your own home in any style and get a mortgage ,Visit a local doctor by dropping in,even foreigners can do this just pay cash ten quid or provide insurance, visit the local hospital usualy one in every direction within mins, Have a scan blood test whatever at any time and get the results there and then. So for all our hard work and belt tightening what do we have to show for it. Even the H1 thing not the bus the Flue thing , the local council sent out deatails to everyone on getting a jab. factories in every direction cheap food and overheads. I would struggle to think of more than three factories local there. I am not talking about cottage industrie like Bear brand (now gone) either.
Mind you they do not pretend to be the worlds police man. Maybe we would be better off as little England and trim all the rest.
I often think I would love to come home ,but what would I do. I wonder therefore why the government feels that we need thousands of unskilled workers and their children.from abroad.
If our recent history , as stated by poster`s here from the fifties is anything to go on then the future is not looking very bright.
I heard it said manny times aday , wait until the revolution comes.
I am still waiting.
To any one starting out I am not saying you can not earn money or have a good life of course thousands of Liverpudlians have jobs localy and live good lives. If you want choice though you may have to move and if you want good money then get as manny skills as you can ,as the government with so manny of its ministers influenced by America (manny of them worked for politicians there) and its obsession with bits of paper the more bits of paper you get the better your chances. If we stay in europe then a language other than English will help.
I love my city and its people this is my tribute to all those that carried on through tough times. Especialy those that had to leave.
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Post by davidaevans1 on Nov 11, 2011 6:18:48 GMT -5
Does anyone know of an Irish man named Jim who lived or still lives at Lee Park, he is married and has a family. If anyone has any information then please reply. He was in a relationship with a Woman named Elizabeth in the late 60's who lived at Eden House.
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Post by capstickjg on Jan 9, 2013 7:12:34 GMT -5
My grandparents, Maud Barton and Jim Sumner lived at Netherley Cottages, Netherley Waterworks. Jim worked at the waterworks at Belle Vale and Netherley for many years until he retired. Jim and Maud could often be seen selling flowers from the wall of their cottage, they lived in the end cottage on the right as you stand in front of the row. Anyone remember them?? I am trying to find photos of the cottages but have not had any luck in finding any on the internet. Does anyone know of any? We have some taken of family in the garden and around the pond, but that is all. My mum's name Joan Sumner, married name Mitchell. She worked at the Bluecap and Bear Brand Factories, and in the canteen of Goodlass Wall. she had a brother Ronnie and sister Rita.
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Post by capstickjg on Jan 9, 2013 7:27:35 GMT -5
My Grandad, Hugh Capstick, lived at Netherley Farm, next to the "Waterworks Cottages", as we always called them. My Dad, Rowland Capstick often talked of Jimmy Sumner, perhaps they were similar ages (he was born 1914) My brother and I used to sell daffodils at the end of the farm drive in the Easter holidays. I remember picking the flowers in our orchard, which was behind the high wall of the Waterworks. Your Grandad heard our voices and climbed a ladder to look over, thinking we were trespassing. When we told him who we were he said "Oh that's alright" and disappeard behind the wall again! There was another family Dad talked of in the Cottages, the Hardings. There was a Marjorie and, I think, some brothers. I'm afraid I don't have any photos.
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Post by mikeadams1985 on Jul 25, 2013 15:03:09 GMT -5
Sorry to barge into this thread. After goolging around for information on netherley cottages i was brought here.
I dont suppose anyone has any more information regarding them and or photographs from a few years back, inside or outside.
regards - Michael
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Post by nogsy on Sept 27, 2015 8:15:33 GMT -5
Here's a 1959 street map of Netherley: Compared with a 2001 street map of Netherley: Ken
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Post by nogsy on Sept 27, 2015 8:24:15 GMT -5
Looking at these maps, I'm a little confused, We lived in 51 lydiath lea in the 70's we left for luton in 1979 due to my father being black balled by the unions in 1977, he was a wagon driver and once black balled found it very hard to get work. My sister went to then what I remember was Netherley Comprehensive not Lee Manor, I was young but could my memory serve me so wrong?
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